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the fiscal cliff is bad, but not irretrievable. you can go into january and still put the pieces back together. as you know, defaulting on the debt is irretrievable thing. that's the economic equivalent of a nuclear weapon. that is a big dynamite compared to the fiscal cliff crew having said that, as they get to the year end, i think they'll say we'll vote to extend middle class tax cuts. our leverage is greater because it's the nuclear bomb so they can increase their leverage as they move toward a vote. we may end up into january early february negotiating again about a debt ceilingle. >> that would be very hazardous. an economic nuclear deterrent is only effective if you're ready to set it off. i'm not saying there aren't tea party republicans that would be willing to tank the economy on this, but i think republicans really are overplaying their hand if they think they're going to get a lot of leverage out of this debt ceiling. they may think that. but people remember that episode more than a year ago and it really backfired. it
the fiscal cliff is bad, but not irretrievable. you can go into january and still put the pieces back together. as you know, defaulting on the debt is irretrievable thing. that's the economic equivalent of a nuclear weapon. that is a big dynamite compared to the fiscal cliff crew having said that, as they get to the year end, i think they'll say we'll vote to extend middle class tax cuts. our leverage is greater because it's the nuclear bomb so they can increase their leverage as they move...
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this could push the american economy off of a fiscal cliff, am i missing something here? can it be such a bad thing. not really said the cbo. if congress extents current policy, the debt and deficit will increase slowing the economy and dramatically increasing interest costs. because of the deal congress and the president made last year it be result in across the board budget reductions, still there will be no decreases in social security, medicare and veteran's benefits. defense spending would take a big hit, but because of a windown in afghanistan some military leaders are asking for less than congress is willing to shell out. from 1990 to 1999 defense spending decreased by 1% a year. this weakened military is nonsense. jim we have like what 27,000 times to blow up the country with the next amount of nukes. >> and we still have massive armies in europe protecting them from a massive soviet union. >> yeah. >> korea is another issue -- we do need people there. >> stephanie: right, but he points out who is behind all of this fiscal cliff cage rattling. the rich and their f
this could push the american economy off of a fiscal cliff, am i missing something here? can it be such a bad thing. not really said the cbo. if congress extents current policy, the debt and deficit will increase slowing the economy and dramatically increasing interest costs. because of the deal congress and the president made last year it be result in across the board budget reductions, still there will be no decreases in social security, medicare and veteran's benefits. defense spending would...
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over the fiscal cliff he has done nothing to demonstrate it. but even as the democrats pound him from the left, he is taking punches from the right. the leader of the right's rebellion is, of course, grover norquist. he said the president has installed himself at loyalty, and boehner is not being sufficiently revolutionary. >> he thinks someone made him king. he doesn't have the mandate that he thinks he does. i think he takes us over the cliff because he has got blinders on. he doesn't see where he stands in the universe. >> jennifer: or where he stands? where the president stands? he's leader of the free world for goodness sakes. but back to the tea party senator jim demint, who was riding first class on the tea party express, he tweeted that boehner's propose is an $800 billion tax hike that will destroy jobs and allow politicians to spend even more. not so fast, demint. there is yet another front in this revolution. conservative columnist jennifer ruben dismissed demint's rhetoric and says the votes of demimit t al are no votes. oh please,
over the fiscal cliff he has done nothing to demonstrate it. but even as the democrats pound him from the left, he is taking punches from the right. the leader of the right's rebellion is, of course, grover norquist. he said the president has installed himself at loyalty, and boehner is not being sufficiently revolutionary. >> he thinks someone made him king. he doesn't have the mandate that he thinks he does. i think he takes us over the cliff because he has got blinders on. he doesn't...
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the essential components of that right now is to avoid the fiscal cliff and give certainty to the middle class passing those middle class tax cuts rate now. >> you have just articulated what i anticipate we'll hear from the president in the state of the union. the politics of knocking on doors, the good streets politics of the grassroots party. there's greater unit, which is important. >> this election was not just two paths and visions laid out on issues. you had a handful of billionaires on the republican side trying to buy the white house from mitt romney and you had a grass roots movement that was organized from the ground up with volunteers, people-powered campaign. it demonstrated that you can't buy democracy in this country. you really have to work it, and hour voters and supporters were determined to get out their get to work, and stay on line, even with all the obstacles thrown in their way by republicans across the country preventing them from getting access to the polls. >> it's so important. there were two competing advices. in a way this was a good election for democracy. th
the essential components of that right now is to avoid the fiscal cliff and give certainty to the middle class passing those middle class tax cuts rate now. >> you have just articulated what i anticipate we'll hear from the president in the state of the union. the politics of knocking on doors, the good streets politics of the grassroots party. there's greater unit, which is important. >> this election was not just two paths and visions laid out on issues. you had a handful of...
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it's one of the reasons why the fiscal cliff could be as bad for the economy. if state and local governments are continue to cut back or not spend, still hoarding catchsh and consumers aren't spending ex is for a new iphone the one positive input to the gdp right now, maybe not in six months but right now, the one positive input is the fed recall government. if the federal government through the fiscal cliff is going to withdraw $600,000,000,000, which is what the live would do, it will throw us back into a recession. >> that's just what we don't need now. >> bill: i was going to ask you and i think you are getting to it already is what now does president -- two things: what does president obama say he will have an opportunity somewhere today, what does he say about these numbers? two, can he use these numbers to bolster his case for a deal on the fiscal cliff? >> the answer first of all, f they were to dahl me i would say don't take a victory lap because it's 7.7% unemployment. if you are under employed or you have stopped looking or don't have a job at all, y
it's one of the reasons why the fiscal cliff could be as bad for the economy. if state and local governments are continue to cut back or not spend, still hoarding catchsh and consumers aren't spending ex is for a new iphone the one positive input to the gdp right now, maybe not in six months but right now, the one positive input is the fed recall government. if the federal government through the fiscal cliff is going to withdraw $600,000,000,000, which is what the live would do, it will throw...
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the president talking about the fiscal cliff, et cetera. >> obama: for them to be burdened unnecessarily gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms, obviously with would also have an impact on the economy, because if this family has a couple of thousand dollars less to spend that translates into $200 million of less consumer spending next year. >> stephanie: oh this just in -- [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: nancy pelosi is going to brief us on the fiscal cliff talk at 12:00 eastern. >> it's joke! >> you can't take anything boehner says seriously at all. it's so win-win for the democrats on this. and i would like to see the president go off the cliff and let the republicans try to vote it down. >> stephanie: we posted a great article -- it was the best thing i have read about the l.a. times, where he said let's hold hands and walk down together. it's not that bad. all of the nobel prize winning economists asking george bush not to enact these policies in the first place. >> exactly right. this was used because bill clinton has a surplus. bush said l
the president talking about the fiscal cliff, et cetera. >> obama: for them to be burdened unnecessarily gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms, obviously with would also have an impact on the economy, because if this family has a couple of thousand dollars less to spend that translates into $200 million of less consumer spending next year. >> stephanie: oh this just in -- [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: nancy pelosi is...
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cliff. >> eliot: you're saying something hugely important. alan greenspan did try to create the impression that the market and the economy was one and the same. that was a huge mistake the financialization of our economy. that's what led to the cataclysm in 2008. perhaps more important, the point you made, you're right there are a lot of people who are trying to create the fear, the cassandras that i referred to the top of the show who are behind that argument who say now you must do what we want. they want corporate tax cut. am i right? they're sliding something in there that is not directly related to the issue that we're supposed to be directing. >> everyone is doing that. doing the negotiation with the union or any other negotiation you start off with what speaker boehner is calling your la la land proposal. you start off with what you want, and then you work from there. both sides have staked out their dream position, and that's not where we're going to wind up, but that's where you starter and it's kabuki theater, as you said. >> eliot:
cliff. >> eliot: you're saying something hugely important. alan greenspan did try to create the impression that the market and the economy was one and the same. that was a huge mistake the financialization of our economy. that's what led to the cataclysm in 2008. perhaps more important, the point you made, you're right there are a lot of people who are trying to create the fear, the cassandras that i referred to the top of the show who are behind that argument who say now you must do what...
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cliff because he wants the economy to fail because he wants president obama to fail. john boehner, again, i think the worst speaker ever, it's a time for leadership, not for playing political games. american people have spoken. this is a time for leadership. i think if john boehner is unwilling to lead, we've got to put pressure on him to get the hell out of the way. fish or cut bait. get the hell out of the way. he has no backbone. he has no balls. he is a lousy, lousy leader. he is a looser. i think we ought to start putting the pressure on him. let's pick a fight today with john boehner. it's not picking a fight with boehner. it's just doing something to save this country. so, peter, how do people -- i call on you join me in call okay john boehner lead or get out of the way. >> peter: if you want to send him an e-mail speaker.gov/contact. you can send it to him. if you are on twitter >> bill: speaker.gov spiritists we are tweeting this as well. if you are on twitter he is tweeting @speakerboehner, @ speakerboehner. or call the office of the speaker, 202-225-0600. y
cliff because he wants the economy to fail because he wants president obama to fail. john boehner, again, i think the worst speaker ever, it's a time for leadership, not for playing political games. american people have spoken. this is a time for leadership. i think if john boehner is unwilling to lead, we've got to put pressure on him to get the hell out of the way. fish or cut bait. get the hell out of the way. he has no backbone. he has no balls. he is a lousy, lousy leader. he is a looser....
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he's making a speech on the impact the fiscal cliff would have on americans at home. secretary of state clinton is warning not eaching a budget deal would have an impact on global economy global security. she gave a speech at the brookings institute yesterday and said she's hearing concerns from other countries about the choices we're making when it comes to the economy and it's essential that lawmakers in washington make a meaningful deal. we're back after the break. stay with us. i want to have that conversation. let's talk about it. really? you're going to lay people off because now the government is going to help you fund your healthcare. really? i want to have those conversations, not to be confrontational, but to understand what the other side is saying, and i'd like to arm our viewers with the ability to argue with their conservative uncle joe over the dinner table. [ female announcer ] what would you call an ordinary breakfast pastry that's been wrapped in a flaky crust stuffed with a gooey center toasted up all golden brown then given a delicious design? a to
he's making a speech on the impact the fiscal cliff would have on americans at home. secretary of state clinton is warning not eaching a budget deal would have an impact on global economy global security. she gave a speech at the brookings institute yesterday and said she's hearing concerns from other countries about the choices we're making when it comes to the economy and it's essential that lawmakers in washington make a meaningful deal. we're back after the break. stay with us. i want to...
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that's next in my >> eliot: is anyone else sick of talking about the fiscal cliff? a year ago facing a stagnant economy and long term deficit everybody in washington agreed they should come together to make the tough decisions that had to be made. something that would provide short-term stimulus but long-term debt relief. after all we all knew something had to be done. the health of our nation depended on it. washington surprise, surprise, decided to delay for the umpteenth time kicking the proverbial can down the road. then the campaign really heated up and we were told we would have our sweet relief after the election. finally the story went voters would provide clarity, a choice played out across the country that would deliver the elusive answers. what are we getting? endless posturing game playing and the same rhetoric over and over again. both sides standing up and preening themselves campaign style as if they expect the public to pay attention and give deference to the repetition of the same ideas. i for one are tired of it. americans have been poked and prodd
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>> so obama created this whole fiscal cliff for an election issue. the amazing thing is no one talked about this during the campaign. it was the day after the election that suddenly d.c. and the d.c. press was abuzz about the fiscal cliff. this wasn't a campaign issue. no one even talked about it. >> stephanie: right. >> the idea that this is all obama's fault. it has nothing to do with the $3 trillion war paid for with taxes. >> stephanie: eric boehlert remains in the sidecar. we continue with right-wing world next on "the stephanie miller show." >> announcer: it's really weird but it's also the coolest thing i've ever heard in my whole life. >> announcer: it's "the stephanie miller show." that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. ♪ here she come now say mony mony ♪ >> stephanie: oh you didn't put in the other part. okay. >> i like our s.e.c. license. >> stephanie: 1-800-steph-12 the
>> so obama created this whole fiscal cliff for an election issue. the amazing thing is no one talked about this during the campaign. it was the day after the election that suddenly d.c. and the d.c. press was abuzz about the fiscal cliff. this wasn't a campaign issue. no one even talked about it. >> stephanie: right. >> the idea that this is all obama's fault. it has nothing to do with the $3 trillion war paid for with taxes. >> stephanie: eric boehlert remains in the...
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[farting sounds] >> if the president really wants to avoid sending the economy over the fiscal cliff he's done nothing to demonstrate it. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues it's magic beans and fairy dust. [farting sounds] >> stephanie: all right. >> fairy dust goes very well with bourbon. >> stephanie: republicans were quick to say that boehner's plan was attracting criticism from the right particularly from jim demint of south carolina, tea party leader and as such, represented more of a compromise than obama's stance. uh no! nice try. demint said boehner's plan will destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend more. oh, please we're not falling for this. they think if they criticize the plan, oh, well it must be a good compromise then. nice try! 29 minutes after the hour. spongebob squarepants tom kenny, our buddy our pal next on "the stephanie miller show." you know who's coming on to me now? you know the kind of guys who do like verse mortgage commercials? those types are com
[farting sounds] >> if the president really wants to avoid sending the economy over the fiscal cliff he's done nothing to demonstrate it. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues it's magic beans and fairy dust. [farting sounds] >> stephanie: all right. >> fairy dust goes very well with bourbon. >> stephanie: republicans were quick to say that boehner's plan was attracting criticism from...
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well, the easiest way to end the uncertainty about the fiscal cliff and tax rates and their potential impact of the vast majority of americans as they go into this vital holiday shopping season that's pretty central to our economy is for us to pass that and say okay, that part of this is over. the $2,000 on average tax hike that most working families are facing, if we go over the cliff done, taken care of. now, let's work through the balance of increased revenue on the high income earners and spending cuts that we need to get done to achieve a roughly $4 trillion savings. >> bill: and closing loopholes and other issues. >> that's a difficult process. there's lots of detail to it. in my view, there's two bad outcomes here that are quite possible. first is we do nothing. which is -- something we seem to have shown some real capability of. but if we go over the if is cal cliff, which is really more of a slope than a cliff. it is not like y2k where january 1, everybody has a dramatic cuts in services and dramatic increases in taxes. that will smooth in over time. that will happen over som
well, the easiest way to end the uncertainty about the fiscal cliff and tax rates and their potential impact of the vast majority of americans as they go into this vital holiday shopping season that's pretty central to our economy is for us to pass that and say okay, that part of this is over. the $2,000 on average tax hike that most working families are facing, if we go over the cliff done, taken care of. now, let's work through the balance of increased revenue on the high income earners and...
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and also how to get our fiscal house in order. michael linden is director for tax and budget policy at the center for american progress. peter, what's happening online? what are people -- >> we're talking about economy. big, big story that is breaking this morning. >> bill: uh-oh. >> apple computers is going to resume manufacturing in the united states. they have all of their products now being built in china and tim cooke, who replaced steve jobs and very rarely gave interviews, gave an interview to nbc he announced next year we'll do one of our existing mac lines in the united states. they're going to start creating some jobs here in america. >> bill: you know, that's a bfd. >> great news. >> seriously. >> bill: it is great news. we knew shortly before he died, steve jobs was at a very small dinner of high tech leaders with president obama in silicon valley and steve jobs says those jobs are never coming back, mr. president. stop talking about it. they ain't coming back. >> he was wrong apparently. >> bill: well, that was his po
and also how to get our fiscal house in order. michael linden is director for tax and budget policy at the center for american progress. peter, what's happening online? what are people -- >> we're talking about economy. big, big story that is breaking this morning. >> bill: uh-oh. >> apple computers is going to resume manufacturing in the united states. they have all of their products now being built in china and tim cooke, who replaced steve jobs and very rarely gave...